Voices: Physicians Speak Out on Diminishing Income and the Death of Primary Care
Over the last month, Physician’s Money Digest has been focusing our coverage on all aspects of physician income -- from disparities in pay and diminishing reimbursements to the wider ramifications for patients and the U.S. healthcare industry as a whole.
The articles often generated emotional comments from physicians who described their own struggles with debt, revenue and income, and offered frank observations about the state and future of primary care in America.
We’ve compiled some of these comments here, to let readers themselves report on what they’re seeing within their own fields -- and encourage you to help keep the discussion going by sharing your own experiences and opinions in our comment area below.
The article that drew the most heated, and often heartfelt, responses was one featuring this clip from "the Vanishing Oath," a film by Ryan Flesher, MD, that illustrates how overhead costs, malpractice insurance and licensing fees slash physician’s take home pay to just $27.72 an hour ... or roughly $58,000 a year.
Dr. Lourdes Esteban described how day-to-day costs deplete already diminishing revenue at her practice:
“I studied at the very least 14 years to become a specialist and with the president's plan I will be paid the same as a physician who just graduated from medical school (i.e., probably $80 for initial visit of a patient who is seen for 30 minutes). Meanwhile, I pay for a hefty office lease, three secretaries, one of whom I have to hire just to get pre-authorizations for MRIs and other procedures from the all-mighty insurance companies. I pay for gas, electric, telephone, Internet, cleaners, office supplies, gas, tolls, garage (because it is impossible to part on the streets of New York), and these are costs paid every month. I forgot to mention my malpractice insurance which is $34,000 per year. So, how much do you think I get paid a day?”
Dr. Joan Lieser said the clip confirmed what she’s been experiencing for the last decade:
“Factor in skyrocketing malpractice insurance for obstetrics in the face of stagnant or decreasing reimbursement from insurance companies and you can understand why I have had to withdraw money from my retirement account to stay in practice. Why has there been no effective lobby for physicians? The American Medical Association is a joke.”
Dr. Kay Wood said she fears for the future of healthcare in light of what's she's seen in her own practice:
“My practice has a VERY STABLE PPO clientele -- I see the same number of patients today as I did last year -- my demographics have not changed (50 percent Medicare and 50 percent PPO). To my amazement, this year my income is down by 50 percent. This is not due to loss of consults -- just plain loss of reimbursement monies. I'm sure that this is just the beginning of a long downhill trend. Already our private physicians are taking early retirement. Most will not take care of patients in the hospital. The conversations in the physician lounge are depressing. Fortunately for me, I'm close to retirement, but I'm very concerned about all those young physicians out there who are loaded with debt and frankly, I'm concerned about the patients who soon will find it very difficult to find a qualified physician to care for them. We need to organize and make change happen.
In addition to diminishing incomes, disparities of income within the medical field was also a hot topic. In response to this week’s profile of the “Top 10 Worst-Paying Doctor Jobs,” as ranked by Forbes magazine, a number of readers said income disparity an accepted fact of life in medicine -- though they weren’t happy about it.
One young doctor writes:
“I am a relatively new physician -- soon to be in my 3rd year in Family and Geriatric Medicine in my hometown community. I am one of few in my class who was crazy or brave enough to start my own practice, me, myself, and I...it has been stressful, crazy hours, but a joy. The only negative has been the stress of a running a BUSINESS, who gets prepared for that in medical school and residency?
“Yes, my pay is lower than the surgeon, but my clinic and call life is different too. Disparity is something that we will not be able to get away from, less disparity would be nice, but not likely to happen. The shame of this situation is that young minds are being told to stay away from these fields because of lack of reimbursement...money talks to someone who is in debt...there is also a stigma attached to those who are in a primary care fields when you are in medical school that is propagated in residency and causes students to shy away from a field they may have otherwise chosen.”
Earlier this month Mike Hennessy, Chairman and Chief Executive of MJH & Associates, the publisher of Physician's Money Digest, The American Journal of Managed Care, Pharmacy Times, MDNG and other publications, issued a call for action for a physician leader to step forward to address the shortage in primary care. "The profession of primary care physician in this country is dying. Fast," he wrote.
Reader Robert Comizio echoed Hennessy’s sentiments:
“Our problem is that we have and never had any organization representing us that would fight for us and counter all the misconceptions and bad press physicians receive. We need something like the teachers union! Whenever society and the politicians want to subjugate us they wave the Hippocratic oath in our faces and call us professionals; when they want to treat us like servants, they threaten us with all kinds of penalties and call us providers. And we, not knowing what to do, put up with the nonsense and the indignities and the politicians count on this inactivity. Can you imagine a one day nationwide strike of all the physicians? We need to be represented by a strong organization that will fight for our livelihoods and not a vestige of one like the American Medical Association, whose claim to fame is their campaign to stop smoking.”
One reader blamed entitlement programs for income disparity and the decline of primary care:
“The great disparity in incomes between primary care providers and specialists began in earnest when Medicare was created in circa. 1963. Much more emphasis and reimbursement was associated with procedural services and less with cognitive services. 47 years later, we have a healthcare society largely driven by specialty care in contrast to other developed countries with less per capita healthcare spend --hence our current unsustainable crisis. There will always be some people smarter and more productive than others, but in what logical system does it make sense to pay a family doc $200 to manage an ICU patient out of DKA (potentially life-saving) and pay a dermatologist $500 to $1000 to remove a benign lesion in their office?”
Still another reader lamented the level of incomes for doctors in academia -- a subject addressed this week by blogger Ed Rabinowitz, who looked at the continuing disparity in income between academic and private practices.
The reader commented:
“The worst paying -- and worst overall -- jobs for physicians are in academia. Many earn $100,000 to $125,000 per year, for a board certified psychiatrist. I did. And the working conditions were awful, with onerous call duties, numerous condescending ignorant administrators on your back, and lousy windowless offices. Sure some of the residents and students were great to work with, but more than a few were abusive and either lazy or mentally dull.”
Finally, a doctor sums up what seems to be the overwhelming sentiment for all doctors who took the time to share their thoughts on physician pay:
“I'm struck by the tone of defeat and discouragement in the comments from providers...these times and circumstances are robbing us from the excitement, joy and anticipation of something much different that we probably all had as we entered medical school.”
Readers, keep the discussion going! Physician's Money Digest wants to hear your thoughts on the state of physician pay.
What can physicians do to educate patients and policymakers and counteract the commonly held perception that “all doctors are rich?” How does this misconception affect the physician-patient relationship, especially in the highly charged atmosphere surrounding healthcare reform and healthcare costs?
How should the profession address the growing divide between primary care doctors and specialists? Are the financial, legal, and clinical concerns facing these two areas of medicine becoming so different and unique that they are creating an adversarial relationship between the two? Share your comments below.
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dave
whoa up
July 27, 2010 - [ 13:29:11 ]
dave
the very first time I saw the big trailer truck parked in front of the hospital I knew it wouldn't be long before insurance companies were going to have their hands full. New, expensive technology is something the human mind cannot back off. Yet someone has to pay for it. Combine that with our society concept of entitlement, We have found ourselves juxtaposed between the great technological advancements of our age, and an economy that virtually produces nothing. Great diagnostics. No money. Who pays for all of this when doctors expect to make in excess of a million dollars a year, and our judicial system goes ballistic on awards to victims of malpractice? Medical care in the US is second to none, and when you or a loved one is dying, it is absolutely wonderful to know you can get the best care in the world. But it doesn't take a genius nuclear medicine resident to see that this just can't go on forever. I'm not a big fan of insurance companies, but when a family pays $1200 a month for insurance and bags $100,000 in insurance payments for medical care rendered, there needs to be a heck of a lot of people who never even intend to go see a doctor. I am now one of the latter. I now will not waste another dollar or minute on it. And yes, the AMA is only concerned with appeasing radical groups with stop smoking, don't eat salt or sugar, demand that restaurants post fat and calorie values, etc, ad nauseum. Look, if it is the goal of the AMA for all of us to live to be 150, this world would be doomed before any of us reach 72. Before any of this chaos can be solved, we need to face reality.
July 27, 2010 - [ 13:48:14 ]
Dan
Seems to me the fundamental problem is how society values its productive members. Its clear that what we may do is in constant and rising demand yet those of us trained to provide the service have a diminishing value to those who seek the service. Indeed, we've been diminished in multiple ways, one need only look on ones medical school graduation certificate; nowhere does it say "medical services provider"! Its time for bright minds to look elsewhere for rewarding careers, and thats exactly whats happening. This does not bode well for the long term quality of the system as a whole, even if there are large urban centers that may be centers of excellence.
July 27, 2010 - [ 14:20:46 ]
David Block
This is not the time for thoughtful observations and heartfelt declarations about our predicament. Back in 1990, in Mattoon, IL, at the country club (of course), Dick Durbin - who was then congressman from central IL - spoke to the Coles County Medical Society and told us, "You have 10 years left." We felt awful, had a few drinks, and went back to our practices. We didn't know what to do, and doctors (like most of the world) generally respond to their own ignorance by hunkering down and doing the same damn thing twice as hard.
Hunkering and twice-ing got us into medical, and through training, and through lots of evil nights doing LPs on squirmers. I'd have squirmed, too. I don't hold it against them.
What I do hold against "them" is that we are treated worse than some punk who can bust a dance move on TV, or some steroid hound who can bat/hit/run/whatever. From 6PM until 6AM, it's "Oh, Doctor, I'm dying... I have terminal booger whistle... you're so masterful/sympathetic/whatever." For the 12 business hours thereafter, we are chopped liver. Or pick your favorite ethnic metaphor: this is an equal opportunity comeuppance, brothers and sisters.
We know the diseases of others. We don't know our own: like pride ("this can't happen to me, the Great Doctor Block!") or gluttony ("just one more EMG, I'm beggin' you!"). But worst of us is the sin of planned ignorance. It kills patients. It will likely kill us.
When was the last time we asked who our natural allies are? (That's right: hospitals and patients.) When was the last time we convinced our patients that "if I die, we BOTH die"? When was the last time we said to the country, "For the next few days, we doctors in every middlesex, village and farm [remember The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere, spreading revolution?], are going to be planning our local, statewide, and national strategies. The ED doc's will keep you alive. We are going to keep ourselves and our families alive."
We lament in every Temple Emmanuel. What we need is Rahm Emmanuel.
Folks, this is the time for us doctors to negotiate a national solution. While we still have some clout. We have a hand in 20% of GDP. You'd better take a look at history and see what happens when any minority has - or thinks it has, or OTHERS think it has - that much power.
It's the time to be doctors who practice medicine. Not business men who practice "health care."
But, hell, we screw each other over parking spots and who gets the first pork chop at the hospital-catered lunch. We're just not desperate enough yet. So ask not for whom the bell tolls.
July 27, 2010 - [ 15:50:39 ]
raj pat
Still doctors are making good money compared to other professionals. If somebody wants to make lot money, they should choose different profession. I agree with all other doctors that income is going down. It all depends on what kind of life style you want. If one want to live in a million dollar house and drive BMW 7 series and a country club golf membership, they should not choose medical field.
July 27, 2010 - [ 16:29:14 ]
RiczM>D>
We are conquered and divided. Any Primary Care Physicians adopts the motto - as long as we continue to be Primary Care Specialist , we are only entitled to No Pay, Low pay, Slow Pay (How pathetic!) Its time to accept chicken, eggs and vegetables again- learn to barter goods for services rendered.
July 29, 2010 - [ 12:01:51 ]
Cyborg
Pediatrician. Same office practice since 1970. Used to be a real
doctor, ie if you were good you got word of mouth patients. No more.
It all fell apart in late 70's with Mis ManGed care. We all now are merely
employees of the insurace companies. We all are abused. As is the
public trying to find Quality healthcare at a price they can MANAGE.
Triangles never work. The insurance companies destroy an honest
relationship. I grieve for young doctors and I grieve for young
families with children. American medicine is only good within the
hospital setting. Real private practice is too hard today. It was
destroyed by third party health insurance.
July 29, 2010 - [ 14:04:16 ]
DLeongHom726
Coordination of services and expertise is unappreciated. The problem is a primary internist can either step up and really manage the care of a complex patient or he/she can simply refer and brush off one's hands of the patient. The former is by far the best way to manage a patient as only a well versed primary MD can and will take the time to coordinate all experts involved and formulate a cohesive consensus plan. This is not rewarded nor recognized as valuable even to our profession, yet ask a patient how valuable it is for their primary MD to coordinate their care and help them safely navigate the increasingly complex and scary universe of specialty services and they will tell you it is invaluable. We pay a lot for a general contractor to coordinate all the services involved in the construction of a building or managing a project, yet in medicine where life and outcomes often depend on conscientious follow up, it is given short shrift.
August 11, 2010 - [ 4:26:14 ]
Anonymous
To cut costs we have to re-train most physicians.
August 26, 2010 - [ 16:28:45 ]
dgmpharm
OK, so Im reading this article with intrigue. Im actually a pharmacist with my own pharmacy, and I am experiencing the SAME things yall are in medicine. I think I have found the solution....BECOME THE INSURANCE COMPANY ADMINISTRATOR! THATs what Im working on building...lol....!!!! We will have complete control of coverage, reimbursement, and PA layers....
September 2, 2010 - [ 22:01:04 ]
anonymous2
Perhaps when physicians all become employees of the "government plan", we can start a union, and then Mr. Obama will "bail us out" (as he did with the union members of GM), increase our pensions and retiree beneifts (as he's doing with unionized federal and state employees), and even talk nicely about us (as he does for the teachers' unions). Mr. Obama likes unions and union memebers, as opoposed to the other 260 million Americans.
October 15, 2010 - [ 19:01:27 ]
tfgmd
I'm a greedy, overpaid specialist, but take home about as much as the really high volume FPs and Hospitalists. Now I will be getting a pay cut! The biggest problem I'm having at this time is that we are getting hammered with uninsured through the ER, 1/3-1/2. It's killing us! We will get "informed" of a pt with some kind of cancer who showed up in the ER, often from 100 miles away and almost always without insurance. Of course, we are expected to followup in the office if they are not admitted. We have been on a hiring freeze for a yr and our staff is not getting raises as expected. Ask them how much they care about the uninsured! Really, this started with EMTALA in the mid 90s. I remember hearing of it at a conference and thinking to myself: if you can just show up at any ER in America with any problem and get "the standard of care" ,which may include transfer to a higher level of care, why do you need health insurance? This socialistic law has allowed counties and states to dump indigent healthcare and forced private hospitals and docs to deal with the ever increasing numbers of uninsured. I can promise you that the goodwill from both hospitals and providers is running out. If the AMA had any sense, it would have sued the feds over EMTALA back in the 90s